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John Beeler

Your comment on Moore seeing this as a wrap-up of season one is interesting, because I felt that same way last night. In fact, as much as I have been loving these episodes I have begun to feel like a fish on hook, being dragged along on the ground.

I actually am starting to feel that they were sacrificing characters for plot. That's not to say that's what happening; but I just feel that that The Plot has taken precedence, that there's always somewhere for the camera to go and it's as if they're always thinking about the next scene.

I am very ready for the Kobol storyline to wrap up.

John Beeler

Another point: season one won a lot of converts, but I'm seeing some pretty mixed reactions to season 2.

Does anyone else think they've lost steam?

The Box

I'm not sure if it's lost steam, but Season 2 seems to be less coherent to me:
a) Season 1's subplots seemed to dovetail better and nobody really got left out for very long. This season for instance, Baltar appears sporadically, almost as if to remind us that he hasn't left the show.
b) There seemed to be more nervous energy with the first one, mostly flowing from them having to deal with real problems - fuel, water, rioting etc. One of the great thing about the show is that they were refugees, they had real problems.
c) The writing was tighter.

I've also been wondering if limitations are gonna crop up with exposing certain characters as Cylon models. Boomer is now permanently a Cylon for us and for the characters. I’m wondering if this paints the writers into a corner where they’ll have to:
a) Keep killing her off and then replacing her with a new one. Only now with no espionage capabilities since her cover’s blown.
b) Make her the resident enemy-turned-crewmember like Seven of Nine on Star Trek: Voyager.

Neither of which is going to be easy to keep fresh.

I love the show. And there's plenty of time to redeem itself. But Season 1 was incredible, so it's naturally going to be a tough act to follow.


Trapper Markelz

It is interesting that there are people thinking the quality this season is less than last season. I really feel like the show is actually getting better... more complex... The first season was really clean because a lot of the conflict was wrapped up each episode. The stories now are much more drawn out with many different threads.

From what I gather from all the opinions I am reading (and I go through over 300+ feed items about BSG per day) everyone is really positive about the show so far this season... lots of comments like "It just keeps getting better and better" and I have to agree.

Also, I think what we have seen are some concentrations on characters that aren't as "popular" as the others. Focus on Adama, Lee, Kara, Baltar has been much less lately while people like Tigh, Tyrol, Crashdown, Helo, Dualla, etc have been more important in the stories.

So I wouldn't say the storytelling is better or worse than last year. I think it is equal... but different.

Zot

Trapper, I'm with you on this. For me it has continued to get better and better. I now believe this show is absolutely the best TV series I have ever seen, and that's really saying something for me.

Sorry to disagree with John Beeler and The Box, because you both make valid points, but in my humble opinion we're now seeing more depth in a lot of the characters, and more intricate subplots to go along with it. This it the natural progression of a show that doesn't attempt to pander in the way that a lot of shows do. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this season being different to Season one. I think if we found it was the same we'd all feel like it was formulaic.

John Beeler

I dont' want to go down on the record as saying it's worse, because I don't really feel that way. The most I could honestly say is that it's changed.

But I think that if they don't start wrapping a few things up, it will have been worse. I'm afraid of them catching what I'll call the Mulderscully Virus, in which they become so reliant on plot device that they have to keep contriving new secrets and not answering old ones.

What drove me in the first season were not plot questions, it was character. The only major plot question was, in the beginning, "Who's a cylon" and then later, "Is Adama a Cylon?" Here, I probably walk away from 4 or 5 as monumentous questions. The show is being driven by the plot right now, not by the characters, although character is still there.

You're right, Zot, about falling into formula though. Complex characters are good. Complex plots...eeee...not so sure I see that one. Can you imagine a new viewer coming in on the last episode? How much you'd have to explain to them?

Trapper Markelz

John, I guess I don't see why a complex plot is bad. There is room for both. Sure, the barrier to entry is higher, but that is episodic TV. Look at Lost or 24... you cannot start those in the middle of the season at all.

BSG is about good story and good character. You could have all the character development in the world, but if they have nothing to do or no where to go or no problems to solve or mysteries to uncover what would be the point?

I was never an X-files fan so I am not aware of the Mulderscully disease... so you may be seeing something I am not... but at the moment I am content to let the writers take me where they are going. It is only the second season so there is plenty of story to tell and characters to develop.

Zot

John, thanks for your follow up, it clarifies things a great deal.

Your point is well made. You're saying that the show may not survive if it does not continue to attract new viewers.

I guess I was not engaging with that issue because I just don't think BSG fits so neatly into the typical ratings-inspired TV series.

It's important to remember that shows like X-Files and the Star Treks are fundamentally different from BSG. They are for all intents and purposes TV serials with a very broad back-story. BSG isn't. It doesn't have episodes that neatly contain one story. The story unfolds (often at lightning pace) as you watch it. You have to watch each episode in order. As I discovered last year, you really needed to see the Mini Series to get the whole picture and put the first series in context.

Now that we're into the second series, this causes a major problem for the writers, I believe. Yet they show no signs of letting up. It's my belief that now that they are committed to creating a TV series with an ongoing story, they're right to keep pursuing it without thinking too much about what a new viewer will think. When I came into Series 1 at episode 5 I was struck by the quality of the show in its own right. So I went back and found the previous episodes and the mini series. This is a great argument for them to get the DVDs on to the marketplace as quickly as they can, and also for networks in other countries to release the episodes soon after the original US (or UK) release.

John Beeler

I love the sense of inevitability in the show. For example, all of us knew something bad would happen when Boomer, Helio, and Starbuck met up with the fleet. It's taking the "look behind you" to another level.

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