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John Beeler

A good episode, but did you get the impression it was a bit rushed?

kim

i had a really really hard time believing that the resistance fighters would accept sharon into their midst knowing that she's a cylon. at first i thought that they were keeping it secret, but the interchange among starbuck, helo and sharon makes it pretty clear that no one's hiding this fact. why would the resistance fighters have any reason to trust that she wasn't acting as double agent, that she wouldn't sell them all out?

also, i LOVED the subtle slip when simon called kara "starbuck" and she then pinched her IV line so she wouldn't get drugged. that little slip (and likely the new incision) seemed to be what tipped her suspicions over the edge and made her take action. "i never told you i was called starbuck!" she hisses in simon's ear as he dies. i had goosebumps!

Elliott Wilcoxon

> She might think that it was the Cylon’s who gave her a child under the knife,
> but it could turn out to be a child from Anders.
I do believe they took out her ovaries the second time they put her under. If she's having a kid, she'd better already be preggers.

> She is a Cylon. Everyone knows she is a Cylon. She knows she is a Cylon and
> yet she is on some weird mission to save everyone.
Sharon's deal is, she couldn't go back to the Cylons. They might have succeeded in manipulating her into love, but they can't trust her anymore. Her fate was either Helo and possibly being imprisoned in the fleet; or going back to the Cylons who'd just grow and harvest her kid. Even without the whole love thing, the humans are looking like a better choice. Once she went back, it was just a matter of making sure that Helo could protect her, which she knew he'd do, since he loves her. By showing up with a bigger ride, she insures that the Resistance will be less willing to shoot her the instant they learn she's a Cylon. Even after learning she's a Cylon, he still loves her, perhaps it's just him loving to try and keep his child alive.

> Again I think we are seeing Adama’s acceptance of the Cylons not as machines
> but has a more human enemy. He is acknowledging the complexity of the
> situation and I think he might be one of the only people actively
> realizing this.
Which feeds right back into what's going on with Sharon. She's no longer allied with the Cylons, at best, she's allied with the humans. Listen to the way she discusses the Cylon plans with Kara; she's not revealing her evil plan, she's just exposing the enemy's plan. The Cylons made a mistake with her model (or did they...?); Sharons are not strong enough in conviction to avoid splitting with the Cylons.

Trapper Markelz

John, I have seen other people state that they felt it was rushed. As a whole episode, I don't think I agree... but like I stated in my write-up, the acceptance of Sharon was a bit too fast.

In general though, they were pretty deliberate with the scenes involving Kara and Simon. Adama's scenes were fairly involved as well. I didn't feel like they were cutting any corners... except in the Sharon department.

The Box

I think this episode in particular was a bit too, I dunno, neat. Lotsa things were too convenient.

The last season, things had consequences. Like when Sharon blew up the water compartments, they didn't catch her, but they still held an inquiry coupla episodes later.

This episode, there's lotsa slippage.
Sharon stole Kara's raider, and then miraculously returns with a bigger model? It's too convenient. They plan to assault a cylon outpost to steal one and then she just SHOWS UP with one.

Then there's the Sharon-is-suddenly-our-friend issue. Fine, they cylons know they can't trust her, but that doesn't mean the humans can.

The whole Starbuck love interest thing. Begun and ended in one episode. And it does nothing for the story.

And the baby factory thing? The last season, we had Galactica solving 'real' problems. They need water, they run out of fuel, they have people who want a government etc. I just hope it's not going into X-Files territory here.

I'm a little worried. Season 1 was so unbelievably good. Let's hope they leep it that way.


Trapper Markelz

To answer TheBox, I guess I am going to withold judgement on the convenient nature of the events... at least for a few episodes. The full ramifications are not always clear... that is the power of a linear storyline. In the end, I wasn't bothered so much by convenience as I was by the character's reactions to them. I have no problem with the writers bringing something in from left field in the last 30 seconds (this show is famous for it). But they better follow up in the next episodes as you suggested. The farther we get from this episode without addressing Sharon, the weaker the events will seem because we will learn that they were meaningless contrivances to move the plot forward.

One could argue that Sharon is accepted because she uses the ship to gun down all the mecha-Cylons... Hopefully next episode we will get some meat as to how everyone feels about Sharon... especially when they get back to Galactica.

bryan g.

i think the phrase everyone is looking for is "jumped the shark." everything felt contrived and done out of convenience. they should develop this in a fashion similar to the sopranos and the way the brits do: fewer episodes, more drama, higher quality. 13 episodes was perfect; i can already tell 20 is too many. and so help me, if that bitch that tigh is banging turns out to be cylon, i'll never watch again.

Trapper Markelz

I think "jump the shark" is a tad bit harsh... but maybe that is just me. :)

There is no magical secret to a TV show. You either tell a good story or you don't. A show jumps the shark after you run out of story. With BSG, there is still plenty to learn and find out... about Kobol... about the Cylon Plan... about the intentions of Baltar... about the democratic factions within the fleet... about Adama and Lee... about all the main characters...

Although sharks are cool (Discovery Channel shark week baby), we are far from jumping them.

jarisha

Excellent episode. I'm the guy who thinks that Adama's a Cylon spy that's joined the human side.

That said, I thought his speach to Chief - that if he thought he loved Sharon, then he did - was perfect. It didn't give away the truth, but when you look at it with my theory in mind, it has a whole 'nother facet to it. Also, when Adama asked the dead Sharon "Why?" you can take it at least 2 different ways:
If he's a Human, he's trying to understand how someone he loved could shoot him.
If he's Cylon, he's asking her "Why couldn't you have come to me and talked to me about it? I would've understood. I'm so alone; together we could've given each other support."

As for Sharon being accepted. Actions speak loudest. Helio had denounced her, but that was when he thought that she'd abandoned them. Pretend for a moment that this is a WW2 show and Sharon was a Nazi officer who showed up and help blast the other Nazis. Yes, there might be emotional issues, but in life-and-death situations, the proof is in which side you help.

Trapper Markelz

Wow Jarisha... I have to say... those are some interesting thoughts. You are correct... looking at the Tyrol/Adama talk through the lense of your conspiracy really does put the scene in a whole new light.

Gunner

Did anyone question that Simon knew all about Anders, including his background as a pro athlete? It was a key part of his bluff to establish credibility with Starbuck. Obviously, the cylons knew Starbuck was with Anders' underground unit when she was captured. How, infiltration? A cylon or cylon informant among the resistance? Or is Anders a cylon?

John Beeler

I think that saying that one particular moment was a jump the shark moment without seeing any of the following episodes lacks perspective. I wouldn't say this was among the best, and even Moore in his podcast says the scenes we have problems with (particularly the baby factory scene) he also didn't like. That's a good sign.

So I just wonder if there weren't things that needed to happen here in order to just "move things along."

Trapper Markelz

Gunner, that is a great observation. I definitely didn't think about that line... however the Cylons did manage to capture another female member of the resistance so maybe they are aware of him just from the raids he has conducted against them.

John, I agree. I found it interesting that Moore specifically says he doesn't like the baby factory scene in his podcast but says the scene was required to move the story along. I got the feeling that "The Farm" isn't as big of a part of the Cylon plan as we are thinking at this moment... just one facet of it.

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