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Marshdog

Was it just me or was anyone else not that impressed with this episode? I realize it is only one half, but there were a couple things that bothered me. The Tyrol with was totally out of left field, and to be honest, it felt a little forced and last minute. The other thing that bothered me was how relatively smoothly Starback and Co. found the survivors. I mean they land on a planet...a planet...and suddenly they come across them in the woods? I think the writers could have made a more plausible explanation. The only thing that was interesting in this episode was the dynamic between Baltar and Roslin, in my opinion. We'll see how part two unfolds.

vincent formosa

interesting episode.

I see Baltar winning the election definitely. he will carry such a groundswell of support of the last question in the debate that Roslin is already doomed.

of course, if Baltar and Zarek then start pushing to accept any Cylon peace deal, will that also mean the standing down of Pegasus and Galacticqa? will the military acquiesce. will we see a split in the military?

a lot of variable there to ponder.

m. sherman

For one, I loved the episode. The editing and direction were SPOT ON, because so much happened but it flowed really well.

How's this for a mind-bender? What if the nuke is used by the cylons on the planet they are thinking about taking up residence? After all, the cylons want the humans to find Earth for them, no? That could be quite a shocker.

John Beeler

The preview seems to insinuate that Baltar does win the election, and then probably goes through a "what the heck did I just do" phase?

This kind of fits with the original series, where Baltar brokered the peace agreement between the Cylons and Colonies that led to the attacks.

I'm curious why so much of the show deals with Caprica. Budget, or other reason?

vincent formosa

I don't mind returns to Caprica. I would enjoy them more if they were also more practical with it. take Pegasus, make a smash and grab raid on the planet, go back to some of the military store facilities to snag spares, ammo, weapons etc.

+ pick up survivors, it would make more sense. a recon in force.

I also don't mind returns to caprica because it gets us away entirely from the nasty idea of planet/alien of the week shows that were such a feature of trek.

besides, a return to caprica also might give us more of a peak of what the cylon plan is etc. in fact, how come adama hasn't asked boomer that question on galactica. she was from caprica, she must have known what the cylons overall plan was.

why hasn't he asked her?

the chief tyrol thing I don't mind, but its so left field at this stage in the season. we should have seen glimpses of this int he past few weeks, then I would buy it more when it finally does full manifest itself.

I mean, he had 2-3 days of beard growth and was sleeping in the hangar area for gods sake. no one noticed? huh? scooby snack anyone?

its to much of a pardigm shift at this moment in the season when we have other things to focus on. my only view on why they've sprung this now is that we are going to see another model of cylon be revealed.

its the only thing that makes sense. is it dean stockwell? I don't think so, thats too obvious a play to make.

someone else though definitely.

oopla

Chief, Ziggy says you gotta worship the one true god. Worship the one true god Chief.

My guess is that in the next episode Gina uses that Nuke to blow up either the tillium ship or another central Fleet ship to force the colonials to not run.

Brett J.

Just a little warning about spoilers, but Sci-Fi's BSG site has kind of ruined the suspense of the election for me. On the front page it says the winner, so just a little heads up.

All in all, though, I thought this was a great episode. So great to be rid of this black market and that kind of stuff.

Josiah

I agree that it's awfully hard to judge this one without Part II to figure out what exactly is going on. And even then, there will doubtless be some climax to resolve at the beginning of season three.

I liked the insight from this episode into how campaigns are run -- e.g. candidates go with issues that will get them elected, as opposed to some notion of what might actually be a good idea. It's enough to make you feel a little cynical about the voting public...

That said, I was surprised Roslin didn't show more of her political accumen, possibly even trumping Baltar's issue by announcing plans to settle so long as some condition is fulfilled. But of course, that wouldn't help the plot out -- Baltar will be, at least for a little while, the next president of the colonies.

Nothing like Dean Stockwell resurfacing to keep things interesting. The first time I saw him on screen I thought: well, there's the next cylon. Although with the resurection ship destroyed, I don't know how he's still around -- I thought the end of Quantum Leap was pretty much it for him.

Hopes for next week:

- that we learn more about Baltar's link with the cylons (i.e. is he human?)

- that no one is stranded on caprica til season three (too much like the kobol episodes)

- that edward james olmos gets to be edward james olmos and start kicking butt and taking names (don't care who; it's just fun to watch him get pissed)

- that we see at least one new cylon revealed

- that caprica six and boomer some how make an appearance

- and that we've seen the last of sketchy bathroom scenes with gaeta (is it me, or does he only get real dialogue in front of the sink?)


vincent formosa

prize for most underused character this year has to go to Gaeta.

such promise, wasted. we want more gaeta. lets see him take a bit of command. take some decisions etc.

bit tooooooo much apollo focus these last few weeks for me, in fact, the whole second half of the season seems to have been apollo centric on one way or another.

Adric

Not much to add to all this so a couple of quick things:

(1) Second what Vincent Formosa said about Chief Tyrol. I don't mind it either, but I'm having trouble buying it with no buildup.

(2) Also second what he says about Gaeta. Gaeta is one of my favorite characters, and I really wish they found more for him to do. Good actor in an interesting role - what a waste.

(3) Agree Baltar will win the election but will then immediately want out.

(4) I also had the impression Dean Stockwell will be a Cylon. We've already seen that they get older the lower their numbers go - he might even be number 1.

(5) As for Starbuck, I've never really thought she was going back for the colonists in general - just for Anders.

(6) As for Gina and the nuke - I'm telling you, Pegasus is goin' down one way or another. Maybe this is the way.

(7) I have no clue what they're doing with Roslin. I don't think they do either.

(8) Agree with Marshdog that finding Anders and the others seemed too quick and easy. There's somethign off about that. But I don't think it's oversight in this case. I think we get an explanation for it in the next ep. No speculation about what - but I had the impression we were meant to notice that it was too easy.

(9) Thought it was weird to show Dee in the opening "Previously" scenes and then do nothing with her in the episode. A giant red arrow saying "artificial plot development warning: something will happen here in Pt. II" Yeah. And whatever it is will seem just as contrived as the Chief going nuts out of the blue.

They've really botched the second half of this season. We just now seem to be getting back on track, but I worry that the writers have gone too many random directions already and won't be able to make anything sensible out of it in the end.

vincent formosa

did they go off the rails this season? I think thats going a bit too far but I do think they settled back a bit after the 3 part pegasus intro.

there was no fall out from her arrival.

for a start, the colonist ships they stripped and abandoned?

lets go back and get them, surely?

fallout over general pegasus crew conduct, lets see some genuine friction between galactica and pegasus cerw over percieved wrongs.

all the later of 2nd half eps we seen have been okay but to my mind more B Plots. I mean all of them were necessary to show Lee lose his shining knight idealistic edge and become more fatalistic/pragmatic which is what he needed to be ready for the big command of pegasus, but it took a long while to get there and I think it excluded a lot of other possibilities.

also, the whole earth search seems to have been on hold since home part 2.

where was the follow up, considering the whole first half fo season 2 2was the kobol/arrow/tomb plot, it seemed to just fade away, I was a bit disappointed with that.

Adric

"did they go off the rails this season? I think thats going a bit too far but I do think they settled back a bit after the 3 part pegasus intro."

Well, I can see why people might take exception to that, but I think it's a fair thing to say. For season one and the first part of season two, we got some of the best TV I've ever seen. Characters were completely believable, the issues presented were never given easy or cliched solutions, and the Cylon plot was mysterious enough to be interesting.
Most importantly, episodes built off of each other; there was consistency.

In the second half of season two I think they've pissed a lot of that away. Chief Tyrol going crazy out of nowhere is not even the most blatant example - there was also, for example, absolutely no buildup to Apollo's prostitute girlfriend, etc. And then the cheap and easy way they dispensed with President Roslin's cancer - it's bad enough to have a miracle cure, but to have it introduced AND applied in the last quarter of a single episode? The plot in "Scar" was hackneyed, as was a lot of the dialogue in "Black Market." We never got to see Colonel Tigh's reaction to Lee's SHAZAM! promotion, the whole subplot with Dee and Lee is interesting enough but doesn't seem to be going anywhere good (if they kill off Dee, it's just a transparent plot device - BOOOring), the Cylons have largely been absent as an interesting culture in their own right, and LOTS of characters have simply been neglected (Tyrol, Gaeta, Cally, Dee, Tigh) or killed off without really developing (Cain et al). I mean, it's hard to put your finger on any one thing, but one gets the distinct impression that they don't know what they're doing anymore.

I think something Ron Moore said on his blog might be relevant - that 20 episdoes is maybe a few too many - easier to make them all "special" if it's only 13. I personally would much rather see consistent, solid 13-episode seasons than 20-ep seasons that don't seem to be telling any kind of real story.

I mean, I really hate saying bad things about this show because

Adric

Sorry - last line got cut off. Should read:

I mean, I really hate saying bad things about this show because it really is the strongest show on TV. But the second half of this season has been disappointing - no other word for it.

Josiah

On BSG going off the rails in season two...

This is a tough call. On the one hand, I've very much enjoyed watching every episode. They're fun, stimulating, and definitely challenge the established mold for sci-fi tv.

On the other hand, there seem to be two problems that open the show to criticism.

First, little glitches with plot and character. Tyrol's mental illness. The cylon cancer miracle cure. And the uneven development of various sub-plots and characters. Individually, I don't think I care that much. But they are starting to add up, to the point where, at least for me, I don't feel as connected to the show.

Second, and more importantly, the show makes a big deal of the cylon "plan" but has yet to reveal anything about it.

I never got into Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but from what I understand, the writers had a story arc that they remained committed to throughout the entire series, with each season being an integral part of that arc. Maybe Season Two's finale will prove me wrong, but I just don't see that here.

Rather, this feels more like the X-Files. The first few seasons had me fascinated at what the conspiracy might be and in each season there was just enough revealed to keep my interest piqued.

But after the first few seasons, the conspiracy never materialized in a satisfying way. The show just sorta went on and on and after a while it seemed clear that even the writers didn't know where this was going anymore.

I really worry that come season 3 or 4, we'll see Edward James Olmos suddenly replaced with the BSG equivalent of Jason Patrick and episodes that rely on a collection of b-list guest stars who turn out to be cylons.

But of course... I'm content to enjoy the show for now. What I like about this blog is that it's geared toward the enjoyment of the show, which, come Friday, is all that matters anyway.

Trapper Markelz

Josiah said: "What I like about this blog is that it's geared toward the enjoyment of the show, which, come Friday, is all that matters anyway."

I am glad you picked up on that. I always set out to create a blog that conveyed a sense of "fandom" and optimism that surrounds a show. I have seen so many blogs that turn into "rant fests" over every episode. Sure, I slide into that sometimes (like Black Market) but for the most part I choose to concentrate on what is positive in the episodes. I am glad you pick up on that.

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