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John

I am guessing Zarek was probably running the planet with mafia rule (hinted at in Black Hand). That would explain, perhaps, why no one had managed to assasinate Baltar. Just a guess.

Aragorn

Fair enough Trapp. Then again... you get to be the one to report to me when the season 2 sountrack, and dvd set are announced.

mmmmmmmm extended Pegasus.

rjschwarz

Geata is a cylon. He was instramental in getting Baltar elected, the one move that would stop the fleet from getting out of Cylon reach. He also goes from right hand man of the bridge of the Galactica (center of power and info) to the right hand man beside Baltar (center of power and info a year later) which is perfect positioning for a spy.

And there is that unexplained bomb on the bridge from the mini-series. The cylon fingered for planting it could not have gotten bridge access, Geata could have done so with ease.

Amanda

I’ll admit at the end of this episode I felt totally ripped off. The whole 1 year forward didn’t sit well with me. However after thinking about that last half hour over and over again I realized that there are so many questions now. What the heck happened to these people? I am really hoping....really really hoping ....that some of next season will clue us into what happened. Instead of picking up right where it ended maybe backing up a few months so we can see the downfall. Why is Kara on New Caprica? She doesn’t seem the type to become a happy homemaker or leave Galactica/Adama. What happened between her and Lee? Had to be something pretty big. Where was Baltar’s internal Six? Would he have been such a screw up if she had been there? I want to see the relationship between Tyrol and Cally build. I can go on and on.

Also...the whole nuke thing. I haven’t figured that out yet. Did Pegasus Six commit suicide or was she ordered to set it off? Either way the look on Baltar’s face when he realizes that is how they were found was priceless! If Cavell was telling the truth then why did the Cylons show up?

Another thing. When Cavell showed up on Caprica after the Cylons left why didn’t anyone question who he was? Had he been with Anders all along? I doubt he tagged along with Kara...or did he? I might have missed something. I really should watch the episode again.

My initial feeling of disappointment with the ending has developed into an obsession about the new season. Darn October!

rjschwarz

Pegasus 6 - my guess is she was somewhat suicidal after being gang raped on the Pegasus. I think she also had a loathing for humanity after that. She tried to reconnect with Baltar but didn't work for her.

I also think that she did it knowing humanity would be well hidden in the Nebula, it was a last chance to clue the cylons in on where humanity was.

All this came together and boom.

The question is, was Richard Hatch on the ship. He was always shown on that ship since it was a political hub and he did not appear 1 year after. Or does he control a ship in the fleet, with additional power now that the fleet only has a fraction of the people until they figure out a way to save/rescue/whatever the rest of humanity.

Adric

"If Cavell was telling the truth then why did the Cylons show up?"

It's interesting which cylons showed up. A six, an eight, and a five. By all accounts the "least creepy" of the models. Sure, Number Six was the flag-bearer for the cylon cause in the early parts of the show, but we've seen her in sympathetic scenes since then, both in the form of Gina the victim and CapricaSix the rebel.

Also - we get a strong hint that this Six is Baltar's Six - CapricaSix - when she says she knows "very well" who he is. It's a good bet this Eight is GalacticaBoomer.

That is, if there's a rift of some kind in Cylon society by this point - if there are some Cylons that aren't content to just let the humans go - these seem the likely ones. They're the ones most connected with humanity. (Of course, Doral doesn't really fit this description - but he's always seemed less creepy to me than Loben, Simon, Three and Cavil).

But then, I suppose another way of looking at it - for anyone who still thinks Baltar might be dreaming this whole "one year later" pitch from the moment his head first hit the desk - would be that these are the three Cylons Baltar is directly aware of. I'm not sure he's ever seen Loben or Cavil, and of course no one on Galactica knows that D'anna Biers is a cylon yet.

Of course, there's also no reason to suppose Cavil was telling the truth, either...

Adric

Scratch the speculation that Baltar is still dreaming - Ron Moore confirms that season three will be about the Cylon occuation and the human resistance:

http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/

Paul Karpenko

I wonder what the Articles of Colonization say about ex-presidents rerunning for office. I bet that's how Roslin gets back into power once Baltar's disgraced/goes insane/joins the Cylons, whatever.

Also, though this is a huge shift, I can't help but see the parallel to Adama's getting shot and for four episodes after that, things being in complete disarray with everything proceeding opposite to how it normally does (conflict coming from within rather than from the outside)

So I think RDM is using the same tricks, just upping the ante. Maybe at the end of season 3 the crew will be stranded aboard and in control of a Cylon Basestar while the Battlestars are taken over by Cylon agents.

Adric

Paul Karapenko-

IN fact, RDM said in the linked interview that the bit about fighting the Cylons on New Caprica would be about 4-5 episodes of the new season, so I think you're right on the money. Good observation. Hopefully by season 4 there will be serious talk of Earth.

oopla

Paul, Roslyn doesn't need to reclaim office, as she is the prophet. The events of episode 2.20 show the gods displeasure with humans straying from the plan. She just has to play the religious card. Then She can form an alternative government to baltar's and Adama will certainly back Roslyn.

RagaBaSH

after seeing this episode my first thought was : "Wow, they pulled an alias..."

Great first season, nice cliffhanger in the second season that made all the characters lives easier (removal of the resurrection), then some moderate eps after that finishing off with a good ending (downloaded and lay down your burdens). but they had to go further, they had to throw the entire show in disarray. They just had to make a jump so far ahead that they could pull off anything, not showing you the stuff that would be logical (baltar running the fleet). Earth, which was such a prominent point in the first 20 episodes of bsg, is completely out of the picture, and is only mentioned once or twice intermittently in the last few eps.

I keep getting the feeling that the writers lost their way so bad, they just wiped clear their drawing board and thougth: this looks like a nice situation to start over from.. so in effect bsg s3 will not be bsg, but more like chronicles of new caprica.
Totally bogus ending to a nice theme... hope the writers have the gusto to pick it up before the 3rd season is over (check the alias reference again, they sucked till s4 started also).

I attribute this not completely to the writers tho... this is part of the way tv works these days, its impossible to run a multi-season series properly these days.
24 was a hit because of the intricate plotting, but the first season was a 12 / 12 division between two plots (clearly production related, not story). prison break is currently looking at only 1 season (or at least thats how the producers positioned it). Compare that to multi-season arcs used in shows like DS9, or my personal favorite space opera: Babylon 5. The whole story is planned out in advance, always leaving questions and always having a good solid point to return to in a new season.
I will watch s3, but if it turns out to be any bit as shoddy as alias s3 was.... out of the bookmarks they will go.

austin

I have to agree with RagaBaSH. This smells like an alias style shark jumping. They dragged their feet with 3 or 4 eps that were character studies (and did little to move the plot along) and then crammed a years worth of story lines into one ep? mmm. smells like writers block to me.

the best of TV (s1 of BSG, s1 of 24, prison break, the wire, etc) have arcs that cross the whole season, and subtle plotline progression throughout. I feel like BSG really lost it's way with a lot of throwaway plotlines in the back 10 that contributed very little to the story progression as a whole. (crime syndicate, pegasus captain, priest cylon/Tyrol +cali, etc)

Now, to throw it all away, and make it a political drama about colonization? Give almost every character a new role? Starbuck as a housewife? Tyrol from cylon loving chief to mental case to norma rae in one ep? come on...

Let's hope they pop in '33' and take a look at what hooked us.

Bob in North Dakota

Obsessed wrote:

>Also, at the very end, a man asks Anders where is Kara Thrace. Is that the cylon that screwed with her mind and was thrown out of the airlock..hard to tell, but there is a future story line if it is. <

Yes, my guess is that this was FAR from filler, and that this will lead to at least one episode in the future.

So, of the 12 "skin job" models, how many have been revealed to us?

I think that the colonization of New Caprica was written into the script to give the plot line another year, after BSG's big success so far. A year of resistance, an evacuation, and finally back towards Earth. I'm guessing that this is what the next year brings.

I disagree with the grumbling about side episodes (crime syndicate, etc.). There is character development, and interesting drama about the human condition. I am not sad to have this tale unfold slowly.


Bob in North Dakota


RagaBaSH

At the risk of spoiling (as far as thats possible for ppl reading the comments on a season finale)

>So, of the 12 "skin job" models, how many have been revealed to us?<

1. No 6. / Gina / etc.
2. Boomer / Sharon
3. Press guy from the bsg-pilot-miniseries (Doral?)
4. leoben (which incidentally was the one asking about starbuck) also from the mini's
5. Dark doctor guy (Simon) from the starbuck@caprica episodes
6. D'anna bears (<- correct?) (aka #3?)
7. Priest Cavell

so I'd say 7 of 12 in total.
In the back of my mind there is still the mention of "adama is a cylon" to roslyn by leoben right before getting tossed out the airlock. somehow I always feel the best way to put people off is by giving them part of the truth, so I think either apollo or actual is a cylon. (of course it cant be admiral "actual" adama, so i'd be the son, hinted @ in the last resurrection ship episode).

ow and one last comment on the end of the season: why the hell didn't they do anything with the "there are 8 skinjobs in the fleet" info.... it was mentioned once, at the risk of almost killing tyrol but then never referenced again, but in the fora.... lame.

Trainwreck TV

I'm confused about Anders. In "Downloaded" he met Six and Boomer and overheard Six talking about her relationship with Baltar. Why didn't he bring this up with Starbuck or anyone when he was rescued? I thought that revelation was going to really shake things up.

thebizofknowledge

I stumbled across your blog while I was in the process of doing some online research. This is an excellent show that deals with real-world issues, but I think some people aren't tuning in simply because of the sci-fi label.

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